Hello to all.
Firstly, I have to say this site rocks and it's what got me interested in joining the class.
I'm currently looking for a boat and may have found one in Wilson NY. Anyone know anything about "Black Seal". Seems it's been for sale a while. I'm going to look at her next week.
http://www.swansmarina.ca/UsedBoats/boa ... boatId=120
Apart from old sails, I'd like some comments from those in the know.
A friend of mine has a 9.2 and loves it. He actually wanted a 7.9 but his wife vetoed his vote.
Thanks in advance
New guy looking to join class
Moderators: sderby, Tim Bosma, Tom Elsen
Thanks guys. I got a call into the broker for the hull #. I will, of course, get an independant survey prior to purchase.
Since the boat is black, I should easily spot any hull damage. I'll even drop a few pads to have a look.
I had a good search/read in the R&M section asd was pleased to find very little abbout osmosis damage being a problem with the S2.
Thanks Tom for the follow up. I'll have the list in hand when I go down next week.
As for next year's CCR's, at least you'll have someone to pick up the windward marks at the end of the day.
Oh, my friend has a 9.1. He cleans up at his club each year.
Richard
Since the boat is black, I should easily spot any hull damage. I'll even drop a few pads to have a look.
I had a good search/read in the R&M section asd was pleased to find very little abbout osmosis damage being a problem with the S2.
Thanks Tom for the follow up. I'll have the list in hand when I go down next week.
As for next year's CCR's, at least you'll have someone to pick up the windward marks at the end of the day.
Oh, my friend has a 9.1. He cleans up at his club each year.
Richard
Hi guys.
Went to see the boat on Wed. Having never seen one before, I was very impresssed. These things look fast.
Could you please comment on some of my concers. I'm not looking to have you make a decision for me but appreciate your input.
Lower pintle bolts seems to be over tensioned. I can see oval cracks around the plate. When I run my finger around the bracket, the gelcoat/glass is slightly depressed for the first 1/2" outward from the plate.
The elongation of the forestay hole is there, but not that bad. Blocks were in good condition.
Rigging looks clean. All halyards and lines need to be replaced.
Did not get to pull the spreaders, but they seemed a solid fit and no notice of any cracks.
Did not see any water damage on the stbrd B/H. The carpet looked very clean, but I sense someone had it pro-cleaned recently. No waterstains on the wood BH either, in fact I thought it looked new since it appeared to be in better condition than the rest of the woodwork.
Didn't get to inspect inside the keel box/trunk. I'd think that would be interesting to look at.
Trailer needs new rollers/bearings/winch assembly.
The hull. It's black, roller-painted with a poly topside. The cove stripe was filled and it shows. The paint job is not bad, but still, it's black. Will have to be repainted. One bonus is you can see any blisters/repairs. I noticed some patchwork at the stbrd bulkhead and some small blisters just aft of the bow, all above the w/l. Bottom had been VC'd this spring but I didm't notice any problems. Could have been faired a little better for my taste. Unable to drop the keel to look for any signs of damage but no immediate signs of damage on the leading edge.
Sails were not on the boat, but given they are over 5 years old, my guess is that they're not ready for the CCR's. The rudder was nowhere to be found.
Deck looks clean, stanchions solid, some spider cracks around the mast step. Non-skid is in very good condition, no soft spots noticed from walking around. Gelcoat was very chaulky. Side strap through-deck seals look OK, would need to be redone prior to launch. Windows need to be re-sealed. Forward hatch looks flimsy, likely a replacement.
Overall, lots of room in the cockpit and below-decks. A very well built solid boat.
Very happy I went to see it. Looks like you'll have a new member in the near future. I see another one is available near Cleveland. I am a very patient man. Maybe I'll go to Sarnia and have a look at FF. I hear she's a thing of beauty.
Thanks
Richard
Went to see the boat on Wed. Having never seen one before, I was very impresssed. These things look fast.
Could you please comment on some of my concers. I'm not looking to have you make a decision for me but appreciate your input.
Lower pintle bolts seems to be over tensioned. I can see oval cracks around the plate. When I run my finger around the bracket, the gelcoat/glass is slightly depressed for the first 1/2" outward from the plate.
The elongation of the forestay hole is there, but not that bad. Blocks were in good condition.
Rigging looks clean. All halyards and lines need to be replaced.
Did not get to pull the spreaders, but they seemed a solid fit and no notice of any cracks.
Did not see any water damage on the stbrd B/H. The carpet looked very clean, but I sense someone had it pro-cleaned recently. No waterstains on the wood BH either, in fact I thought it looked new since it appeared to be in better condition than the rest of the woodwork.
Didn't get to inspect inside the keel box/trunk. I'd think that would be interesting to look at.
Trailer needs new rollers/bearings/winch assembly.
The hull. It's black, roller-painted with a poly topside. The cove stripe was filled and it shows. The paint job is not bad, but still, it's black. Will have to be repainted. One bonus is you can see any blisters/repairs. I noticed some patchwork at the stbrd bulkhead and some small blisters just aft of the bow, all above the w/l. Bottom had been VC'd this spring but I didm't notice any problems. Could have been faired a little better for my taste. Unable to drop the keel to look for any signs of damage but no immediate signs of damage on the leading edge.
Sails were not on the boat, but given they are over 5 years old, my guess is that they're not ready for the CCR's. The rudder was nowhere to be found.
Deck looks clean, stanchions solid, some spider cracks around the mast step. Non-skid is in very good condition, no soft spots noticed from walking around. Gelcoat was very chaulky. Side strap through-deck seals look OK, would need to be redone prior to launch. Windows need to be re-sealed. Forward hatch looks flimsy, likely a replacement.
Overall, lots of room in the cockpit and below-decks. A very well built solid boat.
Very happy I went to see it. Looks like you'll have a new member in the near future. I see another one is available near Cleveland. I am a very patient man. Maybe I'll go to Sarnia and have a look at FF. I hear she's a thing of beauty.
Thanks
Richard
Pintle on transom overtightened could be sign of water intrusion in the transom. Balsa core. I had the same problem, and had to cut out some of the transom and recore, and remount the pintles. The water was actually coming in through the top trim rail along the back. The screws were not well sealed, and water seeped into the transom top to bottom. If your small and agile, you can do the repair from inside the lazerette without damaging the gel coat. If your like me, do it from outside, but you'll need to color match the gel coat, and do more cosmetics.
BarryE
BarryE
Hi Barry.
This looked like a big problem to me too. Although the fitting felt solid, wet core in the transom is a concern.
I am not that small and agile, therefore crawling around the back is a no go. There's not that much room anyway.
Did you have any problems topsides around the stbrd buldhead?
Thanks for your comments
Richard
This looked like a big problem to me too. Although the fitting felt solid, wet core in the transom is a concern.
I am not that small and agile, therefore crawling around the back is a no go. There's not that much room anyway.
Did you have any problems topsides around the stbrd buldhead?
Thanks for your comments
Richard
On the transom, I ended up using a dremel tool to cut away an oval section around both the top and bottom pintles, two ovals about 8" long and 4" high. I removed the wet balsa, dried things with heat lamps and de-humidifier, then filled with a mash of glass, cloth, high density filler and resin. Color matching the gel coat surface was the hardest part.
There has been no problem with the deck at either of the chainplates, but I pulled them early, used the bent nail trick to rout out the Balsa, and refilled with high density filler and resin. Starboard Bulkhead is still OK, but I inspect it often.
I did get some water into the hull balsa core directly below the companion way, I had that professionally done, with correct core, layup and proper gel, barrier coat. $$$ But worth it.
Best advice, after you buy, pull everything that's screwed down, and reseal, rebed, or re-epoxy.
BarryE
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There has been no problem with the deck at either of the chainplates, but I pulled them early, used the bent nail trick to rout out the Balsa, and refilled with high density filler and resin. Starboard Bulkhead is still OK, but I inspect it often.
I did get some water into the hull balsa core directly below the companion way, I had that professionally done, with correct core, layup and proper gel, barrier coat. $$$ But worth it.
Best advice, after you buy, pull everything that's screwed down, and reseal, rebed, or re-epoxy.
BarryE
Aeolus #11