Rig Tension
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Doug Stuart
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Rig Tension
Having recently purchased a 7.9, could somebody please give me an indication of a basic set up. The boat has greater mast rake than the 2 other 7.9's in the club & the shrouds are significantly tighter. We sail on a lake where the wind is usually light (3 to 10 kts.). Waves are not significant. Would the Loos gage PT2 be the correct model to purchase? Many thanks. Doug Stuart.
Doug,
First, the 7.9 Is best sailed with maximum mast rake. You can check the class rules for maximum allowable mast rake measurements (done by measuring the forestay length).
As for shroud tension, without knowing what diameter shrouds you have, I can't tell you what gage to buy. Measure your shroud diameter with a ruler and get a loos gage that handles that diameter wire.
Outers I've heard of being run anywhere from 22 to 33, with inners ranging from 12 to 28.
Finally, please consider joining the class if you haven't already.
First, the 7.9 Is best sailed with maximum mast rake. You can check the class rules for maximum allowable mast rake measurements (done by measuring the forestay length).
As for shroud tension, without knowing what diameter shrouds you have, I can't tell you what gage to buy. Measure your shroud diameter with a ruler and get a loos gage that handles that diameter wire.
Outers I've heard of being run anywhere from 22 to 33, with inners ranging from 12 to 28.
Finally, please consider joining the class if you haven't already.
Tom Line
Hull 421
Grrr...
Hull 421
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Doug Stuart
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Rig Tension
Tom,
Thanks for the quick response. We race tonight so I'll measure up. Have the distinct feeling that the forestay & shrouds are the standard (3/16"). The boat came equipped with a masthead kite & we are rated at 165 with the other 2 S2's being rated at 168. To date the 3 second hit seems worthwhile. Regards, Doug
Thanks for the quick response. We race tonight so I'll measure up. Have the distinct feeling that the forestay & shrouds are the standard (3/16"). The boat came equipped with a masthead kite & we are rated at 165 with the other 2 S2's being rated at 168. To date the 3 second hit seems worthwhile. Regards, Doug
Doug,
I would think twice before joining the Assc. if you don't have plans to go East and race. I joined when we first bought our boat a couple of years ago, in return for my $50.00 US (1.6 mill. CDN) I got SFA, not even a mention on the Members List, not even a welcome. Maybe things are different now, hmmmm I wonder. Just think how much rum that 50 bucks would buy you.
see you on the dock tonight.
Chris
I would think twice before joining the Assc. if you don't have plans to go East and race. I joined when we first bought our boat a couple of years ago, in return for my $50.00 US (1.6 mill. CDN) I got SFA, not even a mention on the Members List, not even a welcome. Maybe things are different now, hmmmm I wonder. Just think how much rum that 50 bucks would buy you.
see you on the dock tonight.
Chris
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Smitty,
No hostility here, maybe a little disappointed at the whole situatiion, really, someone could have at least welcomed us to the Assoc. Even my attempts to have a boat in Alberta listed on the members page with Dave Grover fell overboard. To be honest I felt as if who gives a big brown trout about a boat out West.
No hostility here, maybe a little disappointed at the whole situatiion, really, someone could have at least welcomed us to the Assoc. Even my attempts to have a boat in Alberta listed on the members page with Dave Grover fell overboard. To be honest I felt as if who gives a big brown trout about a boat out West.
I read this and feel compeled to respond. I live on a lake in NE PA, I am the only 7.9 on this lake. I found my boat on the class website classifieds. I joined right after purchase, it was my first real sailboat, moving up from a Hobie 16. The way I looked at this class was, here's a bunch of people with the same boat I just purchased, whom better to ask questions about the boat and how it should perform. Plus, I found the boat on this websoite and picked it up for a good price. I can surely afford the dues (same as case of beer) so if nothing else the class keeps the value of the boats up. I have never met any of the class officers in person, but have found them informative whenever I had questions, never hostile and answers promptly.
I think if "guest" checks his or her records they will see it's $25.00, not $50.00, for some info thats worth a heck of a lot more than that.
I think if "guest" checks his or her records they will see it's $25.00, not $50.00, for some info thats worth a heck of a lot more than that.
Stef
Odyssey #146
Odyssey #146
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There are no other 7.9's even on the horizon now that we've moved to the VI, but I continue to think that my class membership is one of the least expensive and most valuable expenses I've had in my 18 years of owning the boat.
Jim Kloss
s/v Ambivalence
S2 7.9 #8
Jim Kloss
s/v Ambivalence
S2 7.9 #8
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LarryE-old
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Stef, couldn't have said it better.
If it was $50.00, it would be worth every penny
If it was $50.00, it would be worth every penny
Purr-Fect
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Tom Elsen
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Chris, I'm sorry that your experience with the class association did not meet with your expectations. You are certainly welcome when you join, even if we do not say so in a personal note / letter / phone call.
Now, if I may, let me point out a few things that may not be immediately evident.......
- The class association consists of volunteers. Volunteers who donate their time and their energy so that all may benefit. And the beneficiaries include all owners.
- You are posting (and I assume reading, gaining insight and valuable advice) on a site which is paid for by members of this class.
- You have a boat which will retain its value, in substantial measure because the class association is so active. Don't believe this? Look at other boats where no active association exists. Look at the original sticker price vs the current price. See the differenece for the 7.9.
- You have access to members who help source, and in some cases actually fabricate, difficult to find parts that fit your boat.
- You have access to an OEM-identical mast because members of this class association paid for them. I hope that you don't ever need one, but even if you do, class members voted to allow non-members to buy one at what is an absolute bargain price.
- You can participate in a very active one-design race program because members volunteer to organize it and because members help fund it.
I could go on. But why? Chris, $25 US is a paltry sum by any standards. ANY. It is the least expensive class dues that I know of. Every single owner derives benefit, and every single owner will lose if the class association is weak. It is that simple.
Sailing is, in part, about leadership. If we have failed to meet your standards, I certainly welcome your efforts to make what we do better / faster / more accurate and more successful.
Now, if I may, let me point out a few things that may not be immediately evident.......
- The class association consists of volunteers. Volunteers who donate their time and their energy so that all may benefit. And the beneficiaries include all owners.
- You are posting (and I assume reading, gaining insight and valuable advice) on a site which is paid for by members of this class.
- You have a boat which will retain its value, in substantial measure because the class association is so active. Don't believe this? Look at other boats where no active association exists. Look at the original sticker price vs the current price. See the differenece for the 7.9.
- You have access to members who help source, and in some cases actually fabricate, difficult to find parts that fit your boat.
- You have access to an OEM-identical mast because members of this class association paid for them. I hope that you don't ever need one, but even if you do, class members voted to allow non-members to buy one at what is an absolute bargain price.
- You can participate in a very active one-design race program because members volunteer to organize it and because members help fund it.
I could go on. But why? Chris, $25 US is a paltry sum by any standards. ANY. It is the least expensive class dues that I know of. Every single owner derives benefit, and every single owner will lose if the class association is weak. It is that simple.
Sailing is, in part, about leadership. If we have failed to meet your standards, I certainly welcome your efforts to make what we do better / faster / more accurate and more successful.
Last edited by Tom Elsen on Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:21 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Best wishes,
Tom
Tom
Tom, well said.
Getting back to the original subject, I did find a sheet I believe is from S2 for the "tuning summary" including rig tension. I could scan and email to those who want it. email me at seeuwen@ptd.net
Stef
P.S. How much do you think this is worth?
Getting back to the original subject, I did find a sheet I believe is from S2 for the "tuning summary" including rig tension. I could scan and email to those who want it. email me at seeuwen@ptd.net
Stef
P.S. How much do you think this is worth?
Stef
Odyssey #146
Odyssey #146
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drake
As someone who has been shamelessly mooching off the hard work of Elsen, Grover, the Bostons, Mootz, and dozens of others for the last 3-4 years, I gotta put in my two cents here on Chris' comment. Although nobody rolled out a brass band when I sent in my first $25 check (wait! I hear it coming down the street!), I instantly gained access to an incredible amount of info about this boat, as well as a way to pick the brains of folks who have been sailing it longer/better/faster than I can ever hope to do-- and they are all willing to share what they know, to try and grow the class, and keep folks in it. And, nobody gets paid a penny.
When I finally broke down and went to my first CCR last year in Sarnia, I was further astonished at the event that was put on for an absurdly low entry fee (ditto this year in Racine). Obviously the explanation is that Elsen is running a numbers operation on the side, and plowing the profits back into the class-- or maybe there are hundreds of volunteer hours going into the events. The motivation is obvious: they want guys like me to keep coming back, so they have enough pigeons on the race course.
Anyway, one good effect of this discussion is to motivate me to act on something that's been nagging at me as I mooch along, and tell Elsen to put me on his list of folks who need to get involved in committees, projects, whatever, and start helping out. Lemme know, Tom.
When I finally broke down and went to my first CCR last year in Sarnia, I was further astonished at the event that was put on for an absurdly low entry fee (ditto this year in Racine). Obviously the explanation is that Elsen is running a numbers operation on the side, and plowing the profits back into the class-- or maybe there are hundreds of volunteer hours going into the events. The motivation is obvious: they want guys like me to keep coming back, so they have enough pigeons on the race course.
Anyway, one good effect of this discussion is to motivate me to act on something that's been nagging at me as I mooch along, and tell Elsen to put me on his list of folks who need to get involved in committees, projects, whatever, and start helping out. Lemme know, Tom.
Membership
I am involved in a youth sports program and I can attest to the hard work that goes into keeping a volunteer organization going. I am greatful that there are people willing to put in the time to keep things a float.
Nice Job
Terry
Nice Job
Terry
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Overwhelming Welcome
Thanks guys, judging by the response I was not aware that one individuals opinion could be so damming to the Assoc. This can't be true. As a long time 1D and PHRF competitor, I, as many many others in world of sailing have learned to rely on not just one source for information, so drake please do not include me in your boat of moochers on this forum, because simply I am not. Any information gained on the S2, I have paid for it through the purchase of newer and new sails or relied on my 35 plus years of racing experience to resolve my problems, not the impossible task you may think.
Tom, thank you for your response, I do understand fully that alot of Clubs and Assoc's most often run on the backs of just a few as well the other benfits an Assoc has to offer. My original comment I will admitt was made with a little tongue in cheek, however I as most are not in the habit of putting money in the post and never knowing what has come of it, regardless of the amount. In this day and age a simple email conformation is not to much to ask (Marching Bands not necessary), after all we do seem to have the time to reposnd to items on this and other forums. I guess at the end of this exchange some good has come from within, it has sparked one member to get more involved.
Regards Chris
Tom, thank you for your response, I do understand fully that alot of Clubs and Assoc's most often run on the backs of just a few as well the other benfits an Assoc has to offer. My original comment I will admitt was made with a little tongue in cheek, however I as most are not in the habit of putting money in the post and never knowing what has come of it, regardless of the amount. In this day and age a simple email conformation is not to much to ask (Marching Bands not necessary), after all we do seem to have the time to reposnd to items on this and other forums. I guess at the end of this exchange some good has come from within, it has sparked one member to get more involved.
Regards Chris